<![CDATA[Digital Region Community Support Forum - All Forums]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/ Sun, 16 Oct 2016 19:30:57 +0000 MyBB <![CDATA[Digital Region Website]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1432 Tue, 22 Mar 2016 22:44:12 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1432
Check it out here:

http://www.digitalregion.co.uk/]]>
Check it out here:

http://www.digitalregion.co.uk/]]> <![CDATA[CityFibre extend network to SY with £90m KCOM deal]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1431 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:31:58 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1431 Quote:CityFibre, the fibre optic network infrastructure specialist providing an alternative to BT Openreach, is expanding its footprint having arranged a deal to acquire KCOM's national fibre and duct network assets.

The firm said that it is extending networks into Doncaster, Rotherham and Sheffield.
My article here: http://www.rothbiz.co.uk/2015/12/news-56...ds-to.html

More info on the deal here: http://www.cityfibre.com/acquisition-update/]]> Quote:CityFibre, the fibre optic network infrastructure specialist providing an alternative to BT Openreach, is expanding its footprint having arranged a deal to acquire KCOM's national fibre and duct network assets.

The firm said that it is extending networks into Doncaster, Rotherham and Sheffield.
My article here: http://www.rothbiz.co.uk/2015/12/news-56...ds-to.html

More info on the deal here: http://www.cityfibre.com/acquisition-update/]]> <![CDATA[Confirmed, Origin have some strange performance issues]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1430 Sun, 06 Dec 2015 23:04:39 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1430
I have put up with it because they offered a really good deal to stay, but that runs out the end of this month so I have gotten connected to Zen. As Origin was on a second line they provided (as my main line had tags problems at the time) I have been able to test both.

Firstly and immediately obvious, Zen has 1-3ms lower latency. This varies based on the PPP session as presumably Zen being a much bigger ISP have several virtual circuits, whereas Origin probably just have the one route over their LLU network.

I will dismiss the fact it has fewer hops as the latency of the first one clearly indicates that it is being tunneled over links where its being routed on Origin.

Quote:Tracing route to google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 13 ms 12 ms 12 ms losubs.subs.dsl6.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.84.27]
2 14 ms 12 ms 12 ms ae1-133.cr2.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.86.133]
3 13 ms 12 ms 13 ms ge-2-0-0-0.cr1.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.41]
4 13 ms 12 ms 13 ms 72.14.217.190
5 13 ms 12 ms 12 ms 64.233.174.87
6 130 ms 14 ms 14 ms 216.239.57.51
7 13 ms 14 ms 13 ms google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]

Quote:Tracing route to google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 145.255.242.254
2 6 ms 6 ms 5 ms 185.24.14.1
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 15 ms 14 ms 14 ms xe-0-3-4.cr-1.hex67.uk.call27.net [185.103.229.237]
5 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms xe-0-0-1-101.luigi.as34270.net [85.91.226.145]
6 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms xe-0-0-1-0.mario.as34270.net [85.91.224.9]
7 14 ms 14 ms 15 ms 195.66.224.125
8 15 ms 15 ms 14 ms 72.14.232.187
9 16 ms 15 ms 15 ms 216.239.57.53
10 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]

Speed wise, this is the average speed I have been getting on Origin:
[Image: 2064860.png]
Immediately on Zen however I get:
[Image: 2133754.png]
Just because it HAD to be done, here are a couple of load-balancing tests with both connections used. It does not seem to consistently apply for uploads for some reason.
[Image: 2134784.png][Image: 2154760.png]

[Image: alexatkinold.png]]]>
I have put up with it because they offered a really good deal to stay, but that runs out the end of this month so I have gotten connected to Zen. As Origin was on a second line they provided (as my main line had tags problems at the time) I have been able to test both.

Firstly and immediately obvious, Zen has 1-3ms lower latency. This varies based on the PPP session as presumably Zen being a much bigger ISP have several virtual circuits, whereas Origin probably just have the one route over their LLU network.

I will dismiss the fact it has fewer hops as the latency of the first one clearly indicates that it is being tunneled over links where its being routed on Origin.

Quote:Tracing route to google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 13 ms 12 ms 12 ms losubs.subs.dsl6.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.84.27]
2 14 ms 12 ms 12 ms ae1-133.cr2.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.86.133]
3 13 ms 12 ms 13 ms ge-2-0-0-0.cr1.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.41]
4 13 ms 12 ms 13 ms 72.14.217.190
5 13 ms 12 ms 12 ms 64.233.174.87
6 130 ms 14 ms 14 ms 216.239.57.51
7 13 ms 14 ms 13 ms google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]

Quote:Tracing route to google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 145.255.242.254
2 6 ms 6 ms 5 ms 185.24.14.1
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 15 ms 14 ms 14 ms xe-0-3-4.cr-1.hex67.uk.call27.net [185.103.229.237]
5 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms xe-0-0-1-101.luigi.as34270.net [85.91.226.145]
6 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms xe-0-0-1-0.mario.as34270.net [85.91.224.9]
7 14 ms 14 ms 15 ms 195.66.224.125
8 15 ms 15 ms 14 ms 72.14.232.187
9 16 ms 15 ms 15 ms 216.239.57.53
10 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]

Speed wise, this is the average speed I have been getting on Origin:
[Image: 2064860.png]
Immediately on Zen however I get:
[Image: 2133754.png]
Just because it HAD to be done, here are a couple of load-balancing tests with both connections used. It does not seem to consistently apply for uploads for some reason.
[Image: 2134784.png][Image: 2154760.png]

[Image: alexatkinold.png]]]> <![CDATA[Strange routing over last couple of days]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1429 Sun, 22 Nov 2015 23:02:06 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1429
Code:
1  Router (192.168.1.254)  0.244 ms  0.305 ms  0.383 ms
2  145.255.242.254 (145.255.242.254)  4.266 ms  4.477 ms  4.541 ms
3  185.24.14.1 (185.24.14.1)  7.744 ms  7.848 ms  7.921 ms
4  * * *
5  185.103.229.237 (185.103.229.237)  16.989 ms  17.160 ms  17.238 ms
6  ge-0-0-1.sth.swe.call27.net (185.103.229.251)  43.431 ms  43.179 ms  44.005 ms
7  192.121.80.47 (192.121.80.47)  47.250 ms  44.131 ms  44.245 ms
8  216.239.54.181 (216.239.54.181)  47.851 ms  48.106 ms  48.590 ms
9  209.85.245.63 (209.85.245.63)  45.094 ms 72.14.234.83 (72.14.234.83)  53.314 ms  53.389 ms
10  google-public-dns-a.google.com (8.8.8.8)  46.910 ms  46.821 ms  47.294 ms

I'm chasing this up with them as a change from 14ms to 47ms is not something you expect and it makes a noticeable difference to DNS resolution speed.

If that domain name and reading Call27.nets twitter feed, it looks like its routing via their Sweden POP to get to London, utterly bonkers.

Its even worse for my IPv6 tunnel which seems to be routing via Sweden to Amsterdam to get to London. Huh

Code:
traceroute to 216.66.88.98 (216.66.88.98), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1  Router (192.168.1.254)  0.179 ms  0.202 ms  0.242 ms
2  145.255.242.254 (145.255.242.254)  4.261 ms  4.293 ms  4.450 ms
3  185.24.14.1 (185.24.14.1)  6.173 ms  6.401 ms  6.439 ms
4  * * *
5  185.103.229.237 (185.103.229.237)  14.419 ms  14.672 ms  14.675 ms
6  ge-0-0-1.sth.swe.call27.net (185.103.229.251)  41.670 ms  41.465 ms  41.445 ms
7  * * *
8  10ge12-6.core1.ams1.he.net (72.52.92.45)  43.589 ms  43.541 ms  43.787 ms
9  100ge9-1.core1.lon2.he.net (72.52.92.213)  41.321 ms  70.150 ms  70.395 ms
10  tserv1.lon2.he.net (216.66.88.98)  46.666 ms  41.609 ms  47.781 ms

I have checked a few different routes, things seem to be fine for Microsoft and my VPS.
The irony there is both of those will default to IPv6 so in real-world use are still being hit due my IPv6 tunnel provider being an affected route. DOH!]]>
Code:
1  Router (192.168.1.254)  0.244 ms  0.305 ms  0.383 ms
2  145.255.242.254 (145.255.242.254)  4.266 ms  4.477 ms  4.541 ms
3  185.24.14.1 (185.24.14.1)  7.744 ms  7.848 ms  7.921 ms
4  * * *
5  185.103.229.237 (185.103.229.237)  16.989 ms  17.160 ms  17.238 ms
6  ge-0-0-1.sth.swe.call27.net (185.103.229.251)  43.431 ms  43.179 ms  44.005 ms
7  192.121.80.47 (192.121.80.47)  47.250 ms  44.131 ms  44.245 ms
8  216.239.54.181 (216.239.54.181)  47.851 ms  48.106 ms  48.590 ms
9  209.85.245.63 (209.85.245.63)  45.094 ms 72.14.234.83 (72.14.234.83)  53.314 ms  53.389 ms
10  google-public-dns-a.google.com (8.8.8.8)  46.910 ms  46.821 ms  47.294 ms

I'm chasing this up with them as a change from 14ms to 47ms is not something you expect and it makes a noticeable difference to DNS resolution speed.

If that domain name and reading Call27.nets twitter feed, it looks like its routing via their Sweden POP to get to London, utterly bonkers.

Its even worse for my IPv6 tunnel which seems to be routing via Sweden to Amsterdam to get to London. Huh

Code:
traceroute to 216.66.88.98 (216.66.88.98), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1  Router (192.168.1.254)  0.179 ms  0.202 ms  0.242 ms
2  145.255.242.254 (145.255.242.254)  4.261 ms  4.293 ms  4.450 ms
3  185.24.14.1 (185.24.14.1)  6.173 ms  6.401 ms  6.439 ms
4  * * *
5  185.103.229.237 (185.103.229.237)  14.419 ms  14.672 ms  14.675 ms
6  ge-0-0-1.sth.swe.call27.net (185.103.229.251)  41.670 ms  41.465 ms  41.445 ms
7  * * *
8  10ge12-6.core1.ams1.he.net (72.52.92.45)  43.589 ms  43.541 ms  43.787 ms
9  100ge9-1.core1.lon2.he.net (72.52.92.213)  41.321 ms  70.150 ms  70.395 ms
10  tserv1.lon2.he.net (216.66.88.98)  46.666 ms  41.609 ms  47.781 ms

I have checked a few different routes, things seem to be fine for Microsoft and my VPS.
The irony there is both of those will default to IPv6 so in real-world use are still being hit due my IPv6 tunnel provider being an affected route. DOH!]]> <![CDATA[Affiniti Networks - Broadband for the city centre?]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1414 Tue, 30 Jun 2015 22:01:06 +0100 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1414
Has anyone ever come across this lot; http://www.affiniti.com/home/

Was searching on roadworks.org and there's lots of work planned in with Affiniti, but all it says it "Rodding to test duct route in footway.."

Did some Google searches, couldn't come up with much for them in Sheffield, just their international website.

Curious if they already have an existing network or are planning to roll something out as part of the council's "final solution" to broadband in the Centre?]]>
Has anyone ever come across this lot; http://www.affiniti.com/home/

Was searching on roadworks.org and there's lots of work planned in with Affiniti, but all it says it "Rodding to test duct route in footway.."

Did some Google searches, couldn't come up with much for them in Sheffield, just their international website.

Curious if they already have an existing network or are planning to roll something out as part of the council's "final solution" to broadband in the Centre?]]> <![CDATA[Smoothwall]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1413 Sat, 27 Jun 2015 13:54:21 +0100 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1413
I currently have a few mods installed on it that gives me various monitors and information and tbh is fairly easy to configure and get working.

I've just installed a mod to give me the stats for the HG612


.jpg  smoothhg612.jpg (Size: 148.87 KB / Downloads: 156) ]]>
I currently have a few mods installed on it that gives me various monitors and information and tbh is fairly easy to configure and get working.

I've just installed a mod to give me the stats for the HG612


.jpg  smoothhg612.jpg (Size: 148.87 KB / Downloads: 156) ]]> <![CDATA[SFSY Rollout]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1412 Mon, 08 Jun 2015 11:36:47 +0100 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1412
Barnsley MBC have replied to my FOI:

Quote:Desk surveys have been completed and site surveys are underway to secure the locations for phase 1 cabinets. Due to unconfirmed locations we are unable to be specific about phase 1 at this point in time; however, we can confirm cabinets will go live within the following exchange areas:
Barnsley
Cudworth
Dinnington
Doncaster
Rotherham
Sheffield Cutler

The cabinets in phase 1 are due to go live and ready for customer orders between October and December 2015 (subject to testing).
Cabinets in the exchange areas listed above are those due for deployment in 2015.

Superfast South Yorkshire aim to have a post code checker ready as soon as possible to enable residents and businesses across South Yorkshire to check the deployment for post codes.

Exciting stuff.

Despite roadworks now being booked around Norfolk Park the BT checker still says "exploring solutions".]]>
Barnsley MBC have replied to my FOI:

Quote:Desk surveys have been completed and site surveys are underway to secure the locations for phase 1 cabinets. Due to unconfirmed locations we are unable to be specific about phase 1 at this point in time; however, we can confirm cabinets will go live within the following exchange areas:
Barnsley
Cudworth
Dinnington
Doncaster
Rotherham
Sheffield Cutler

The cabinets in phase 1 are due to go live and ready for customer orders between October and December 2015 (subject to testing).
Cabinets in the exchange areas listed above are those due for deployment in 2015.

Superfast South Yorkshire aim to have a post code checker ready as soon as possible to enable residents and businesses across South Yorkshire to check the deployment for post codes.

Exciting stuff.

Despite roadworks now being booked around Norfolk Park the BT checker still says "exploring solutions".]]> <![CDATA[EE Signalbox]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1411 Sat, 23 May 2015 23:21:54 +0100 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1411 <![CDATA[Power Supply Query]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1410 Fri, 15 May 2015 19:23:37 +0100 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1410
Input: 100-240V - 50/60Hz 1.6a

Output: 12V 5.0A

thanks]]>
Input: 100-240V - 50/60Hz 1.6a

Output: 12V 5.0A

thanks]]> <![CDATA[Out of the blue call from Origin]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1409 Mon, 09 Mar 2015 22:33:24 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1409
In August last year, after been cut off with the closure of DR I complained to CISAS about Origin Broadband. The conclusion of the case was that Origin would release me from my contract and refund the sum of approximately £15. At the time Origin Broadband agreed to this, however I have not received a refund.

I switched to BT in August 2014 and heard nothing from Origin since, that is until last week when I received a call asking me for approximately £110 for phone calls made while I was in contract them. I asked for more information but they could not provide any, they said they would get back to me. I believe the amount may be due to incorrect billing on their part, I never received any kind of itemised bill during my 18 month contract with them, but as I had asked for a package with inclusive calls I did not see this to be a problem at the time. I have also reviewed my contract with them which refers to a VOIP service not the fixed analogue telephone line that I actually had.

Additionally, on the contract, the pricing schedule bears no relevance to the amount I was paying for line rental and ‘Standard Calls’ the contract seems to be geared up for a VOIP service - something I did not have.

I'm still waiting for them to get back to me I suspect they have gone back to BT Wholesale to retrieve the call list.

Just wondered if anyone else has had this type of call and any advice would also be appreciated.]]>
In August last year, after been cut off with the closure of DR I complained to CISAS about Origin Broadband. The conclusion of the case was that Origin would release me from my contract and refund the sum of approximately £15. At the time Origin Broadband agreed to this, however I have not received a refund.

I switched to BT in August 2014 and heard nothing from Origin since, that is until last week when I received a call asking me for approximately £110 for phone calls made while I was in contract them. I asked for more information but they could not provide any, they said they would get back to me. I believe the amount may be due to incorrect billing on their part, I never received any kind of itemised bill during my 18 month contract with them, but as I had asked for a package with inclusive calls I did not see this to be a problem at the time. I have also reviewed my contract with them which refers to a VOIP service not the fixed analogue telephone line that I actually had.

Additionally, on the contract, the pricing schedule bears no relevance to the amount I was paying for line rental and ‘Standard Calls’ the contract seems to be geared up for a VOIP service - something I did not have.

I'm still waiting for them to get back to me I suspect they have gone back to BT Wholesale to retrieve the call list.

Just wondered if anyone else has had this type of call and any advice would also be appreciated.]]> <![CDATA[Would I be mad to consider returning to Origin?]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1408 Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:21:48 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1408
One year on and with the BT contract coming to an end, we've taken a good offer to rejoin Sky TV for a year and I'm now looking at cheaper phone+FTTC providers. BT don't seem too keen on retention offers right now, so it's looking like Plusnet is the next obvious choice. BUT.....Origin is very cheap right now Blush .

Should I consider going back or is that a stupid idea based on their past performance? Anyone on here have any feedback on their service in the post DR era? What about the future security of the business - what would happen to connected customers if the company became insolvent?]]>
One year on and with the BT contract coming to an end, we've taken a good offer to rejoin Sky TV for a year and I'm now looking at cheaper phone+FTTC providers. BT don't seem too keen on retention offers right now, so it's looking like Plusnet is the next obvious choice. BUT.....Origin is very cheap right now Blush .

Should I consider going back or is that a stupid idea based on their past performance? Anyone on here have any feedback on their service in the post DR era? What about the future security of the business - what would happen to connected customers if the company became insolvent?]]> <![CDATA[Auditors publish review into failed Digital Region project]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1407 Thu, 22 Jan 2015 11:30:47 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1407
http://www.rothbiz.co.uk/2015/01/news-49...-into.html]]>
http://www.rothbiz.co.uk/2015/01/news-49...-into.html]]> <![CDATA[Windows 10 Free Upgrade]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1406 Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:46:36 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1406
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/20...ystem-free]]>
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/20...ystem-free]]> <![CDATA[Openreach/BT FTTC rollout is shocking]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1405 Mon, 12 Jan 2015 10:18:32 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1405 <![CDATA[Why can't my bro get fibre]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1404 Mon, 05 Jan 2015 14:54:23 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1404 My brother lives in Dore and is connected to the beuchief exchange
On checking if he can get fibre from BT all the addresses on the street show up but not his but his address shows on sky's checker.

Anyone know why this is occurring he did say that his line was/is with sky but I didn't think this would stop him ordering a BT product.

As I said all his neighbours are showing as able to receive fibre.

Incidentally Sam knows shows as being able to receive fibre etc

Any and all help appreciated

Cheers

Daz]]> My brother lives in Dore and is connected to the beuchief exchange
On checking if he can get fibre from BT all the addresses on the street show up but not his but his address shows on sky's checker.

Anyone know why this is occurring he did say that his line was/is with sky but I didn't think this would stop him ordering a BT product.

As I said all his neighbours are showing as able to receive fibre.

Incidentally Sam knows shows as being able to receive fibre etc

Any and all help appreciated

Cheers

Daz]]> <![CDATA[BT blocking sites WITHOUT court orders now?]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1403 Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:42:33 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1403
http://torrentfreak.com/bt-starts-blocki...es-141126/]]>
http://torrentfreak.com/bt-starts-blocki...es-141126/]]> <![CDATA[How is Oliver still winning awards after the shambles he pulled?]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1402 Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:18:40 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1402 Quote:Origin Broadband, led by 25 year old Oliver Bryssau, was named the Business of the Year while Bryssau won the prize for Young Person in Business at the British Chambers of Commerce Awards 2014.
Quote:The judges praised Bryssau's technical skills and ability to recognise talent in others. Origin Broadband received a £10,000 prize as the British Chambers of Commerce Business of the Year.

http://news.sky.com/story/1382197/presti...5-year-old]]> Quote:Origin Broadband, led by 25 year old Oliver Bryssau, was named the Business of the Year while Bryssau won the prize for Young Person in Business at the British Chambers of Commerce Awards 2014.
Quote:The judges praised Bryssau's technical skills and ability to recognise talent in others. Origin Broadband received a £10,000 prize as the British Chambers of Commerce Business of the Year.

http://news.sky.com/story/1382197/presti...5-year-old]]> <![CDATA[Nas drives]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1401 Thu, 27 Nov 2014 18:43:08 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1401
im considering buying this http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/d-link-sharece...sure-a59lu
i'm fed up of having to plug my 2 TB HDD and have the cable go across the room floor to my laptop. i use it to save my downloads, stream films to my xbox and T.V.

my questions are:

1a) Will i be able to set Vuze or Utorrent to download direct to it?
1b) Will speed be affected?

2) Can i access this data from my mobile, another computer on the go? the idea is to let family access it

thanks for any replies

John22rob]]>
im considering buying this http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/d-link-sharece...sure-a59lu
i'm fed up of having to plug my 2 TB HDD and have the cable go across the room floor to my laptop. i use it to save my downloads, stream films to my xbox and T.V.

my questions are:

1a) Will i be able to set Vuze or Utorrent to download direct to it?
1b) Will speed be affected?

2) Can i access this data from my mobile, another computer on the go? the idea is to let family access it

thanks for any replies

John22rob]]> <![CDATA[BT v Sky v Plusnet]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1400 Sat, 15 Nov 2014 15:37:40 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1400
So deciding whether or not to move to another provider for everything

Looking at the deals and PN have some good ones and works out cheaper than BT plus can use own router

Sky still looking into this but their Fibre package is more expensive and you need to use their own router (anyone tried using a non-sky router on sky)

So anyone have any issues with either Sky or PN - did have PN years ago before Fibre and had no major issues with them - not sure if would need brand new account as still got my old F9 email address

Have Sky TV and no problems with it, but never had their phone line or internet service]]>
So deciding whether or not to move to another provider for everything

Looking at the deals and PN have some good ones and works out cheaper than BT plus can use own router

Sky still looking into this but their Fibre package is more expensive and you need to use their own router (anyone tried using a non-sky router on sky)

So anyone have any issues with either Sky or PN - did have PN years ago before Fibre and had no major issues with them - not sure if would need brand new account as still got my old F9 email address

Have Sky TV and no problems with it, but never had their phone line or internet service]]> <![CDATA[Origin still has the odd complaints still]]> https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1399 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:43:52 +0000 https://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=1399
Surely it doesn't take 3 months to refund someone haha.

I did notice that they are offering 2 years line rental packages...Don't know many ISP's that offer that..do they need the cash maybe?]]>
Surely it doesn't take 3 months to refund someone haha.

I did notice that they are offering 2 years line rental packages...Don't know many ISP's that offer that..do they need the cash maybe?]]>